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Postby Mr Dude » Tue May 02, 2006 04:06

Sauratos wrote:Personally, I wouldn't really trust something said by the Father of Commusism. He just doesn't seem like a reliable source on the true aspects of Christianity.


Why don't you decide based on the arguments rather than the person?

Maybe like many people in the "deep south" (giggles) you automatically think "commusism" (as you put it) equals evil. As a thought experiment, why don't you try to look for things in your society that are provided according to need and paid for according to ability to do so.

Here's a start: public funded roads, state funded police service, welfare state
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Postby Cubehead » Tue May 02, 2006 06:31

Now there is a point. Probably he would focus on the ostensible characteristics of communist states, rather than analysing communism's fundamental principles.
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Postby Sauratos » Wed May 03, 2006 09:59

Actually, I think that Communism is a good form of government. It would mean equality for all, which has been a goal of American society for over 100 years.

Unfortunately, those in power are always corrupt. If the leaders could actually stay true to their original beliefs, I would be all for it. but that has never happened, an probably never will.
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Postby Cubehead » Wed May 03, 2006 17:20

That's why we shouldn't have a state. Zarathustra speaks against the state. We need to live as Cubic tribes and villages.
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Postby AEON (Matthias Kestianus) » Wed May 03, 2006 22:12

Cubehead wrote:That's why we shouldn't have a state. Zarathustra speaks against the state. We need to live as Cubic tribes and villages.


Like the tribes of Boudicca?
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Postby Cubehead » Wed May 03, 2006 23:43

Whatever, doesn't have to be based on anything in particular.
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Postby Hierophant » Wed May 03, 2006 23:56

Sauratos wrote:Actually, I think that Communism is a good form of government. It would mean equality for all, which has been a goal of American society for over 100 years.


This is why you are an idiot.
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Postby Cubehead » Thu May 04, 2006 05:47

I thought that Communism entailed there being no government? A governmentless system can hardly constitute a form of government.

Absolute equality is actually a nihilist goal. It is something that retards and mitigates evolution. It will obstruct our temporal path to the Superman.
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Postby AEON » Fri May 05, 2006 09:24

Cubehead wrote:Whatever, doesn't have to be based on anything in particular.


Boudica (also Boudicca, Boadicea, Buduica, Bonduca) (d. 60/61) was a queen of the Brythonic Celtic Iceni people of Norfolk in Eastern Britain who led a major uprising of the tribes against the occupying forces of the Roman Empire. Upon the death of her husband Prasutagus (circa 60), the Romans annexed his kingdom and brutally humiliated Boudica and her daughters (some sources say she was beaten and her daughters raped), spurring her leadership of the revolt.

In 60 or 61, while governor Gaius Suetonius Paulinus was leading a campaign against the druids on the island of Anglesey in north Wales, the Iceni and their neighbours, the Trinovantes, rebelled, and led by Boudica, destroyed the former Trinovantian capital and Roman colonia of Camulodunum (Colchester), and routed the Roman Legio IX Hispana under Quintus Petillius Cerialis. Boudica's army then burned to the ground the twenty-year-old settlement of Londinium (London) and destroyed Verulamium (St Albans), killing an estimated 70,000-80,000 people. Roman emperor Nero briefly considered withdrawing Roman forces from the island, but ultimately Boudica was defeated at the Battle of Watling Street by the heavily outnumbered forces of Roman provincial governor Gaius Suetonius Paulinus.

The chronicles of these events, as recorded by the historians Tacitus[1] and Dio Cassius[2], were rediscovered during the Renaissance and led to a resurgence of Boudica's legendary fame during the Victorian era, when Queen Victoria was portrayed as her "namesake". Boudica has since remained an important cultural symbol in the United Kingdom.
Until recently, Boudica was known as Boadicea, which is probably derived from a mistranscription when a manuscript of Tacitus was copied in the Middle Ages. Her name takes many forms in various manuscripts, but was almost certainly originally Boudicca or Boudica, derived from the Celtic word *bouda, victory (cf. Irish bua, 'Buaidheach, Welsh buddug). The name is attested in inscriptions as "Boudica" in Lusitania, "Boudiga" in Bordeaux and "Bodicca" in Britain.[3]

Based on later development of Welsh and Irish, Kenneth Jackson concludes that the correct spelling of the name is Boudica, pronounced /bəʊ'diː.ka:/, although it is mispronounced by many as /buː.dik'ə/.[4]

It is assumed that Boudica's family was well-off, as Tacitus comments that Boudica described herself as being of noble ancestry. She was brought up in a traditional Celtic roundhouse, which would have been large and taken a few weeks to build. When Boudica was older (around seven), she went to live with a second family and stayed there until she was around fourteen. While away, she met new people and learned how to be sociable. She also learned about the history of the Celts and her tribe, traditions, culture and religion. She attended a warrior school, learning to use a sword, spear and shield. A few years after Boudica returned home (around 47 AD), her family found a marriage partner for her, Prasutagus of the Iceni tribe. They married and had two daughters.
The Iceni inhabited roughly what is now Norfolk. They were not at this stage part of the territory under direct Roman control, having voluntarily allied themselves to Rome following Claudius's conquest of 43. They were jealous of their independence, and had revolted in 47 when the then-governor, Publius Ostorius Scapula, threatened to disarm them.[5] It is possible that Prasutagus was installed as a pro-Roman ruler following the suppression of this uprising. He lived a long life of conspicuous wealth, and, hoping to preserve his line, made the Roman emperor co-heir to his kingdom along with his two daughters.

It was normal Roman practice to allow allied kingdoms their independence only for the lifetime of their client king, who would agree to leave his kingdom to Rome in his will: the provinces of Bithynia[6] and Galatia[7], for example, were incorporated into the Empire in just this way. Roman law also allowed inheritance only through the male line. So when Prasutagus died his attempts to preserve his line were ignored and his kingdom was annexed as if it had been conquered. Lands and property were confiscated and nobles treated like slaves. According to Tacitus, Boudica was flogged and her daughters raped. Dio Cassius says that Roman financiers, including Seneca the Younger, chose this point to call in their loans. Tacitus does not mention this, but does single out the procurator, Catus Decianus, for criticism for his "avarice". Prasutagus, it seems, had lived well on borrowed Roman money, and on his death his subjects had become liable for the debt.


In 60 or 61, while the current governor, Gaius Suetonius Paulinus, was leading a campaign against the druids on the island of Anglesey in north Wales, the Iceni rebelled, along with their neighbours the Trinovantes, under Boudica's leadership.

Their first target was Camulodunum (Colchester), the former Trinovantian capital and now a Roman colonia. The Roman veterans who had been settled there mistreated the locals, and a temple to the former emperor Claudius had been erected there at local expense, making the city a focus for resentment. The city was poorly defended and the rebels destroyed it, besieging the last defenders in the temple for two days before it fell. The future governor Quintus Petillius Cerialis, then commanding the Legio IX Hispana, attempted to relieve the city, but his forces were routed.

When news of the rebellion reached him, Suetonius hurried along Watling Street through hostile territory to Londinium (London). Londinium was a relatively new town, founded after the conquest of 43, but had grown to be a thriving commercial centre with a population of travellers, traders, and probably Roman officials. The procurator, Catus Decianus, likely had his office there. Suetonius considered giving battle there, but considering his lack of numbers and chastened by Petilius's defeat, decided to sacrifice the city to save the province. Londinium was abandoned to the rebels, who burnt it down, slaughtering anyone who had not evacuated with Suetonius (archaeology shows a thick layer of burnt debris covering coins and pottery dating before 60[8]). Verulamium (St Albans) was next to be destroyed. In the three cities destroyed, between seventy and eighty thousand people are said to have been killed.

Suetonius regrouped with the XIV Gemina, some vexillationes (detachments) of the XX Valeria Victrix, and any available auxiliaries. The prefect of Legio II Augusta, Poenius Postumus, ignored the call, but nonetheless the governor was able to call on almost ten thousand men. He took a stand at an unidentified location, probably in the West Midlands somewhere along Watling Street, in a defile with a wood behind him. They were greatly outnumbered by the British rebels (who were 230,000 strong by now according to Dio Cassius) but superior Roman tactics and training won the day at the Battle of Watling Street. The Britons attempted to flee, but were impeded by the presence of their own families, whom they had stationed in a ring of wagons at the edge of the battlefield, and were slaughtered (The German king Ariovistus is reported to have made the same mistake in Julius Caesar's Gallic Wars).[9] Tacitus reports that "according to one report almost eighty thousand Britons fell" compared with only four hundred Romans. According to Tacitus, Boudica poisoned herself; Dio Cassius says she fell sick and died, and was given a lavish burial. She may well have been cremated which was the custom of many Celtic tribes at this time. This would also serve to save her body from being defiled and would explain why the remains have never been found.

The site of Boudica's battle is unknown. According to London legend it was at King's Cross in London (a nearby street is named Battle Bridge Road), and that Boudica herself is buried under one of the platforms at King's Cross railway station (different sources list platforms eight, nine or ten as her supposed resting place) but, based on Tacitus, it is unlikely Suetonius returned to London. Most historians favour a site in the West Midlands. Kevin K. Carroll suggests a site close to High Cross in Leicestershire, on the junction of Watling Street and the Fosse Way, would have allowed the Legio II Augusta, based at Exeter, to rendezvous with the rest of Suetonius's forces.[10] Manduessedum (Mancetter), near the modern day town of Atherstone in Warwickshire, has also been suggested.[11]

Postumus, on hearing of the Roman victory, fell on his sword. Catus Decianus fled to Gaul and was replaced by Gaius Julius Alpinus Classicianus. Gaius Suetonius Paulinus conducted punitive operations, but criticism by Classicianus led to an investigation headed by Nero's freedman Polyclitus. Suetonius was removed as governor, replaced by Publius Petronius Turpilianus. Suetonius the historian tells us the crisis had almost persuaded Nero to abandon Britain.[12]

Tacitus, the most important Roman historian of this period, took a particular interest in Britain as Gnaeus Julius Agricola, his father-in-law and the subject of his first book, served there three times. He was a military tribune under Suetonius Paulinus, which almost certainly gave Tacitus an eyewitness source for Boudica's revolt.

Dio Cassius's sources are less certain. He is generally agreed to have based his account on that of Tacitus, but he simplifies the sequence of events and adds details, such as the calling in of loans, that Tacitus does not mention. He says of Boudica:

"Boudica was tall, terrible to look on and gifted with a powerful voice. A flood of bright red hair ran down to her knees; she wore a golden necklet made up of ornate pieces, a multi-coloured robe and over it a thick cloak held together by a brooch. She took up a long spear to cause dread in all who set eyes on her."
He reports that she committed all sorts of atrocities in the name of a goddess called Andraste, who he claims is the British equivalent of Victoria, the Roman goddess of victory. Boudica's own name means "victory".

It is generally thought that Gildas, in his 6th century polemic De Excidio Britanniae, alludes to Boudica in his typically oblique fashion as a "treacherous lioness", although his general lack of knowledge about the real history of the Roman conquest of Britain makes this far from certain.[13]
By the Middle Ages Boudica was forgotten. She makes no appearance in Bede, the Historia Brittonum, the Mabinogion or Geoffrey of Monmouth's History of the Kings of Britain. But the rediscovery of the works of Tacitus and Dio Cassius during the Renaissance allowed Polydore Virgil to reintroduce her into British history in 1534. However he misinterpreted the "Voadicea" he found in Tacitus and the "Bunduica" in Dio Cassius as two separate women. Boudica's story was included in Raphael Holinshed's Chronicles and inspired Shakespeare's younger contemporaries Francis Beaumont and John Fletcher to write a play, Bonduca, in 1610. William Cowper wrote a popular poem, Boadicea, an ode, in 1782.

It was in the Victorian era that Boudica's fame took on legendary proportions. Queen Victoria was seen as her "namesake". Victoria's Poet Laureate, Alfred, Lord Tennyson, wrote a poem, Boadicea. A great bronze statue of Boudica in her war chariot (furnished with scythes after Persian fashion), together with her daughters, was commissioned by Prince Albert and executed by Thomas Thornycroft. It was completed in 1905 and stands next to Westminster Bridge and the Houses of Parliament. Ironically, the great anti-imperialist rebel was now identified with the head of the British Empire.[14]

Boudica has been the subject of two feature films, 1928's Boadicea, starring Phyllis Nielson-Terry, and 2003's Boudica, a TV film written by Andrew Davies and starring Alex Kingston. A new film is planned for release in 2006 entitled Warrior, written by Brian Klugman and Lee Sternthal, directed by Gavin O'Connor, and produced by Mel Gibson.[15] A British TV series, Warrior Queen, was made by Thames Television in 1978 starring Sian Phillips as Boudica and Nigel Hawthorne as Catus Decianus. Boudica was also featured in the fifth episode of one hour documentary Warrior Women on the Discovery Channel, hosted by New Zealand actress Lucy Lawless. She was also the subject of the History Bites episode "Xena's Evil Sister". Boudica was also mentioned during NCIS episode Bloodbath


There have been scattered reports that the restless spirit of Boudica has been seen in the county of Lincolnshire. These reports, dating back to the mid-19th century, claim Boudica rides her chariot, heading for some unknown destination, and many a traveller and motorist have claimed to have seen her. There has been some debate as to how long this has been going on. Some say that the queen's restless spirit has been appearing since her death, while other suggest that the revival of interest in Boudica's story in the 19th century might have summoned her spirit back to our world. As with all reports of ghostly activity, it is up to the individual to decide whether they are true or not.[20]

In 1984, Judy Grahn, in her book Another Mother Tongue, claimed that Boudica was the origin of the present day English word "bull dyke" (a vulgar term for a lesbian); this is thought to be dubious.

In the 1990s, DC Comics' Green Lantern Corps included a member named Boodikka, portrayed as a fierce female warrior.

In 2003, an LTR retrotransposon from the genome of the human blood fluke Schistosoma mansoni was named Boudicca.[21]



Boudicca was a queen who well resembles our modern day friend Rose.
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Postby Sauratos » Fri May 05, 2006 09:56

Cubehead wrote:I thought that Communism entailed there being no government? A governmentless system can hardly constitute a form of government.


Actually, Communism is where the government controls everything.

From the dictionary:
Communism
A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people.

It is run by the state, so you would need a government.
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Postby Mr Dude » Wed Jun 14, 2006 07:27

Sauratos wrote:
Cubehead wrote:I thought that Communism entailed there being no government? A governmentless system can hardly constitute a form of government.


Actually, Communism is where the government controls everything.


Sort of. The general idea has always been that there will be an intermediate stage between capitalism and communism where a central power controls everything for everyones' good, which in time is not needed.

Of course, this has never happened, and most communist states don't really seem to have it on their agenda to dissolve any time soon!
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Postby What in Sam-hill? » Wed Jul 05, 2006 17:14

Francois Tremblay wrote:
Sauratos wrote:Actually, I think that Communism is a good form of government. It would mean equality for all, which has been a goal of American society for over 100 years.


This is why you are an idiot.


Hear hear! If communism was a "goal" of american society, 1) why would we have had the Red Scare, 2) Why would we be called "fat" by foreigners, and 3) You're (to quote the words of Gene Ray) "stupid."

Communism is a great form of government in a fantasy world called, "Nobody is greedy, selfish, opportunistic, evil, dumb, self-aware, uncaring, scabs, war-mongering, taxi-drivers, lawyers, and has no beliefs whatsoever because that might cause one of the other things listed."

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Postby Twoiko » Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:19

Cubehead wrote:I thought that Communism entailed there being no government? A governmentless system can hardly constitute a form of government.


Well, there are many different forms of communism. The one I believe you're thinking of is anarchist communism, that is: the village or tribe controls everything, like the economy and/or natural resources, etc. There's no need for government.
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Postby Ratter » Tue Aug 15, 2006 01:30

Capitalist pigs. Bow down to the Cube.
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Postby Esssence » Fri Aug 18, 2006 17:54

Ratter wrote:Capitalist pigs. Bow down to the Cube.


I wouldn't demand bowing before TimeCube but one can submit they're cubelessness with ease.
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