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by **MustangGT** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 16:25

Ive noticed that lots of people seem to be unfamiliar with Market Anarchy, and various discussions about it are popping up in threads in unrelated subforums and such.

I figured it would be a good idea to have an "Ask a Market Anarchist" thread in this forum.

So, if you got questions about, or challenges to, Market Anarchy, post them in here! This is the place to have meaningful discussion about MA.

by **Dil** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 19:35

list some working anarchies or ones that have worked in the past

-cynic/skeptic.

by **Francois Tremblay** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 19:41

Dil wrote:list some working anarchies or ones that have worked in the past

-cynic/skeptic.

You've been served:

http://www.graveyardofthegods.com/forum ... 3508#93508

by **Dan Mac** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 13:17

Here is a question. How would living in a market-anarchist 'state' (or whatever the hell you would call it) benefit me?

W.O.A. · by **NoDeity** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 13:23

Doktor S wrote:Here is a question. How would living in a market-anarchist 'state' (or whatever the hell you would call it)

I think "society" is the word you're looking for.

Doktor S wrote:benefit me?

Freedom.

by **Dan Mac** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 13:49

What sorts of freedom would I have in such a society that I do not already enjoy? Are you saying there would be no restrictions of any kind in such a society?

by **Francois Tremblay** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 14:18

How would it benefit you? You would be able to live the way you want, with other people who agree with your way of life, in all freedom. You would no longer be under threat from the State. You would be able to have more of whatever it is you want.

by **Nielsio** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 14:50

Doktor S wrote:What sorts of freedom would I have in such a society that I do not already enjoy? Are you saying there would be no restrictions of any kind in such a society?

Consider that an ordinary person today lives about 10 times better than a king 100 years ago; all because of capitalism. And then imagine *uninhibited* capitalism for 100 years (statism causes like 75% wealthdestruction, yearly).

by **Hayduke** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 15:49

Consider that an ordinary person today lives about 10 times better than a king 100 years ago; all because of capitalism. And then imagine *uninhibited* capitalism for 100 years (statism causes like 75% wealthdestruction, yearly).

This is precisely why "market anarchy" is an unattainable fantasy! We live in a world of finite resources. Unihibited capitalism cannot exist for 100 years in a world of finite resources. It would strip the earth of all resources and kill the life on which humans depend.

"Supply and demand," if such a thing ever existed, merely proposes to substitute a cheaper resource for a more dear resource. There are no substitutes for the energy we currently consume from oil, therefore, the oil-based economy is colapsing with nothing to replace it.

Just one example of the real world that is not accounted for in the fantasy world of "market anarchy."

Hayduke

by **Nielsio** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 16:22

Hayduke wrote:Consider that an ordinary person today lives about 10 times better than a king 100 years ago; all because of capitalism. And then imagine *uninhibited* capitalism for 100 years (statism causes like 75% wealthdestruction, yearly).

This is precisely why "market anarchy" is an unattainable fantasy! We live in a world of finite resources. Unihibited capitalism cannot exist for 100 years in a world of finite resources. It would strip the earth of all resources and kill the life on which humans depend.

That must explain why cows went extinct.

by **Dan Mac** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 17:16

Francois Tremblay wrote:How would it benefit you? You would be able to live the way you want, with other people who agree with your way of life, in all freedom.

How is it, exactly, you feel that intollerance would be eliminated through removal of the state? It seems to me people being adverse to 'live and let live' isn't the fault of statism. If you feel that it is, please explain.

You would no longer be under threat from the State.

No, instead I would be threatened by local warlords and gangsters. At least the state has checks and ballances that look out for me, as a citizen.

You would be able to have more of whatever it is you want.

I can see how you might have arrived at this conclusion based on the fact that I would not be facing taxes from the state. Is that what you meant?
Do you think that individuals with power in such a society (those with more wealth, and hence the means to more force) would not exact a similar 'tax' just on a smaller scale? Use of privately owned roads, hospitals, emergency services, police (if police would even exist)etc surely wouldn't come free to the general public?
If police didn't exist, would that mean I would be responsible for doling out my own justice? If so, what stops justice from being doled out on me from, well, anyone?

by **Francois Tremblay** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 17:35

"This is precisely why "market anarchy" is an unattainable fantasy! We live in a world of finite resources. Unihibited capitalism cannot exist for 100 years in a world of finite resources."

Um... why? That makes no sense. Everything is finite.

by **PlatypusOfCarnage** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 20:46

"This is precisely why "market anarchy" is an unattainable fantasy! We live in a world of finite resources. Unihibited capitalism cannot exist for 100 years in a world of finite resources."
Hayduke: I've tackled this one with you numerous times. Drop it already. Find a new argument.

Doktor S: No, those services wouldn't be offered for free, just as they aren't now. The difference is, in a free market you voluntarily choose to pay if you want to use these services, rather than being forced to pay for them regardless. Leaves the consumer open to choose which service they prefer.
As for police - private defense firms. Same job, just not monopolized by, and used as a tool of, the state.

by **Hayduke** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 21:58

"'This is precisely why "market anarchy" is an unattainable fantasy! We live in a world of finite resources. Unihibited capitalism cannot exist for 100 years in a world of finite resources."

Hayduke: I've tackled this one with you numerous times. Drop it already. Find a new argument."

I've not been here to benefit from your wisdom. Enlighten me.

Hayduke

by **Dan Mac** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 08:33

PoC wrote:Doktor S: No, those services wouldn't be offered for free, just as they aren't now. The difference is, in a free market you voluntarily choose to pay if you want to use these services, rather than being forced to pay for them regardless.

So I volunteer to pay for emergency services/police? What if my cheque book is already in my burning house when I need to call the fire department? I suppose I would be fucked..
How would I voluntarily pay for useage of roads? How would such a 'voluntary' payment differ from tax? (unless I chose not to drive, which leaves the same situation as exists now..pay and drive, or don't pay and don't)

As for police - private defense firms. Same job, just not monopolized by, and used as a tool of, the state.

Who pays for these 'private defense firms'? Seems like only the rich get police protection in your little 'utopia'.

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