Atheist Statist wrote:So far we've had, as far as I can tell:
4. Actual examples of indeterminism are "convenient man-made exceptions".
That error is one of my personal favorites.
"Determinism wasn't false till humans came along" is basically a complete abdication on whether people are free or not; we are apparently the only reason the universe isn't in fact deterministic. That's a whole 'nutha level of free will, ain't it?
Determinists also have the honor of presenting the most abstract cracks ever suggested for their god to hide within; the place that stores the hidden variables that determine all the properties of yet-to-form virtual particles. Unmeasurable information hiding nowhere is about as abstract as it gets, IMHO.
Its that kind of novel vision that proves the idea is fertile, but only in the sense that any kind of shit helps all sorts of things to grow. People can really stretch their imaginations thinking of excuses to ignore the obvious contradiction.
If the person making a decision is not the one assuming the risks of a potential mistake, then the decision is more often a poor one. -T.Sowell
I hate tmaq so much that I completely misread his post.