Men, Math and Marriage

Men, Math and Marriage

Postby tism » Fri Mar 12, 2010 13:32

Saw this one today and thought some of you may be interested:

Men, Math and Marriage
by Paul Elam

My first piece of advice when it comes to marriage is simple.

Don’t. And I do mean never. And, yes, that means you.

I don’t cotton much to psychobabble, so I won’t make a hypocrite of myself by putting you through it. Thankfully, it is not necessary. For it isn’t relationship dynamics that will get you. It’s math. And the numbers are scary.

First, and most of you know this, more than half of all marriages end in divorce, not counting the ones that end in murder, suicide and psychiatric facilities. But that doesn’t mean that only half of marriages are failures. There is a lot of failed marriages that don’t end up as divorces. These are people who stay married and make a hobby of hating each other like Palestinians and Israelis.

And the math on marriage isn’t near as disturbing as the numbers you will be faced with when it‘s over. The equation goes roughly something like this.

1 angry wife + 1 lawyer + 1 family court = 1 impoverished man living in a studio apartment and driving a 1981 Buick Skylark.

Numbers are sometimes ugly, but they don’t lie.

But wait, you say, I can change that equation with a pre-nup!

Yes, you can. Here are the factor weighed results.

1 angry wife + 1 lawyer + 1 family court + 1 prenuptial agreement = 1 impoverished man living in a studio apartment and driving a 1982 Buick Skylark.

Pre-nups take more time to draw up than the courts take tossing them aside.

The fact of the matter is that in modern culture men are better off downing ten shots of tequila and stumbling blindfolded through a mine field. The odds are better.

Think about it for a moment. Marriage is quite literally an investment of not only your heart, but all of your work, income and future income, especially when children are involved. Now, if an investment broker told you he had a deal in which you could invest, with mostly intangible returns, and there was more than a 50% chance that you would be wiped out and spend most of the rest of your life paying the margin call or going to jail, how much would you invest?

Well?

Oh, come on now, you might be saying. It’s not fair to reduce the institution of marriage into a financial equation. Well, yes it is. Believe me, if the woman you marry doesn’t heavily consider your income prior to saying yes, she is the infinitesimal exception. And for those of you who still think it is natural and right for a man to be the breadwinner and the head of the family, please know that would be the same head that gets lobbed off in the family court where more than half of you will end up.

And even if you don’t think, for who knows what reasons, that marriage is about money, you better believe that divorce is. Reducing holy matrimony to assets and liabilities is precisely what family courts are designed to do. And they do it with brutal efficiency. If you walk in to one of those places as a man in western culture, you will find that out in the most sobering ways imaginable.

Your experience there will leave you with a mental block. You won’t even be able to say the words “family court” again, for they will find you, shivering in the corner, mumbling incoherently about “that place.”

A lot of married men already know this. Those are the guys in the other half of the marriage statistics. You know, the group that is “successful?” Plenty of them have consulted lawyers because they wanted to escape insufferably nasty, horrifically high maintenance wives, but the more legal realities they heard, the more those banshees they were married to began to resemble June Cleaver. As soon as they coined the phrase “Take him to the cleaners,” the follow up, “cheaper to keep her,” wasn’t far behind.

Just don’t do it.

Living with a woman may be a better option, but you need to be careful with that one, too. Depending on the laws where you live, you could end up married without knowing it. So gather your facts.

Yes guys, that means go see a lawyer, one that understands men’s legal issues, before you even shack up. Do it the moment she asks if she can leave some clothes in your closet. Better yet, do it now, while you don’t have a girlfriend and can still think from the neck up. Consider the legal consult the investment of a lifetime, because it is.

And having children? Sure. Just be prepared to have every connection to those children severed when it’s over, except, of course, for the financial connection. That will be maintained at gunpoint.

So choose that Skylark carefully. You’ll be driving it for a long time.

I know that some of you are thinking, “Oh, that will never happen to me.” All I can say is that more than half of you are deluding yourselves, and the rest of you have no reliable way to know just how lucky you will be. For those who maintain that adolescent sense of invulnerability, such admonitions will fall on deaf ears. Never underestimate the power of denial.

I also know that some of you, especially some women that are reading this, are saying “Hey, wait! Not all women are like that! They are not all the same!” And you are right. But all family courts are the same. Screwed in L.A. Shafted in New York. Swindled in London. They are all the same.

Just don’t do it.

But, in the rare case you are not going to listen to me and make your own decisions, and you insist on taking that plunge, I have some suggestions on finding a suitable bride that might help with damage control down the road.

First, never finance a relationship. Only date women that pay their own way from the start. Admittedly that reduces your chances of dating, much less marriage, but there is a sound reason for it.

It leaves you with a better, if less common, class of woman. For if a woman feels that she is entitled to ride your wallet though life when she is infatuated with you, when you can do no wrong and are the most amazing man she ever met, just imagine how she will feel about your wallet when she hates the very sight of you and the sound of your voice makes her want to claw her own eyes out.

Watch her behavior and learn from it. How does she act when you disappoint her? What is her reaction to hearing the word “no,” or when you choose your way instead of her way?

If she takes it in stride and moves on, then you might have a keeper, inflection on the word might.

However, if she responds to the fact that you went golfing when she didn’t want you to by cutting you off in the bedroom for a few days, or by telling you how selfish and immature you are for having any interests that don’t revolve around her, what do you imagine she will do when she fully believes that you are the anti-Christ and are responsible for every ill in her miserable life?

And that, gentlemen, is precisely the woman you will face in a divorce. She won’t be rational or reasonable or even principled. She will be, quite literally, your mortal enemy. And she will have the full force of the state on her side.

Make that a 1971 Pinto.

And so there you have it, guys. A brief primer on the potential house of horrors we call marriage. All you need to do to have a fighting chance, though, is find a woman who makes her own money and considers it natural to pay her own way; a woman who understands that no one is the center of the universe and that meeting in the middle is the only sane path to a partnership.

In other words, just don’t do it.
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Re: Men, Math and Marriage

Postby Hierophant » Fri Mar 12, 2010 13:38

This is both true and ridiculous. Just don't go anywhere near marriage.
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Re: Men, Math and Marriage

Postby Dadalama » Fri Mar 12, 2010 19:44

You know some people think I'm nuts for being 27 and unmarried. Let that sink in for a bit.
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Re: Men, Math and Marriage

Postby Hierophant » Fri Mar 12, 2010 19:55

How dare you not buy into the delusion that a person can only love one other person at a time, and that loving a person means you'll love them forever.
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Re: Men, Math and Marriage

Postby Brad Reddekopp » Fri Mar 12, 2010 20:30

I was almost 37 when I got married. [shrug] At 50, I'm satisfied. I feel sorry for most of my contemporaries who married in their 20s, though, because of how that worked out for them.
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Re: Men, Math and Marriage

Postby Dadalama » Sat Mar 13, 2010 16:03

I guess for some it works out. I would like to raise a child with a lady in the future but I doubt I could live with myself chaining her down to "just me".
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Re: Men, Math and Marriage

Postby Brad Reddekopp » Sat Mar 13, 2010 16:24

[shrug] I think that one is well advised to only commit to a long term monogamous relationship if one has spent quite a bit of time exploring and has concluded that that is what one really wants to do.
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Re: Men, Math and Marriage

Postby Tmaq » Tue Mar 16, 2010 16:06

The reason "more than half" of marriages end in divorce is because of that minority that divorces repeatedly. Some people get married and divorced 6 or 7 times, and still don't have a clue. If only they had read the missive!

In other words, its false to say that a marriage chosen at random has a 50% chance of ending.

If you take out that minority, or track just first marriages, the 'odds' are a lot better. (As if the 'odds,' not your attitude, behavior or character, are what matters ;-)

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Re: Men, Math and Marriage

Postby Brad Reddekopp » Tue Mar 16, 2010 16:58

I think it's likely that when and why one marries makes a big difference. I think that people who marry for the first time a bit later in life may be more likely to have a marriage that lasts.

According to the stats, Christians are more likely to divorce than are atheists and, the more conservative the religious denomination, the greater the likelihood of divorce. I suspect that this is because Christianity, especially the more conservative versions of it, frowns on sexual experimentation outside of marriage and, of course, young people who are Christians are certainly no less horny than anyone else...
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Re: Men, Math and Marriage

Postby tism » Tue Mar 16, 2010 23:40

NoDeity wrote:I think it's likely that when and why one marries makes a big difference. I think that people who marry for the first time a bit later in life may be more likely to have a marriage that lasts.

Probably because people who marry when they're older are more likely to be able to be happy by themselves, and not need someone else to make them happy. So there is much less pressure between older people who marry.

I'm just pulling that out of my ass, though.

NoDeity wrote:According to the stats, Christians are more likely to divorce than are atheists and, the more conservative the religious denomination, the greater the likelihood of divorce.

A large part of christianity is converting others to the same belief. If we extend from this, married christian couples will have more problems with trying to change each other's habits (and becoming disappointed), rather than accept them.

Again, pulling it right out of my ass. But it sounds good. :smirk:
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Re: Men, Math and Marriage

Postby Brad Reddekopp » Wed Mar 17, 2010 00:25

tism wrote:
NoDeity wrote:I think it's likely that when and why one marries makes a big difference. I think that people who marry for the first time a bit later in life may be more likely to have a marriage that lasts.

Probably because people who marry when they're older are more likely to be able to be happy by themselves, and not need someone else to make them happy. So there is much less pressure between older people who marry.

I'm just pulling that out of my ass, though.

Well, that fits with my perception of what happened with me. By the time I met my wife, I had become quite satisfied and comfortable with being alone. I was "alone but not lonely". So, when I met her, I wasn't very needy (I think I was a pretty needy young adult, which was probably a turn-off). For a long-term relationship, I think it's better to want than to need.

I realize, though, that my personal experience is a rather small sample size.

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NoDeity wrote:According to the stats, Christians are more likely to divorce than are atheists and, the more conservative the religious denomination, the greater the likelihood of divorce.

A large part of christianity is converting others to the same belief. If we extend from this, married christian couples will have more problems with trying to change each other's habits (and becoming disappointed), rather than accept them.

Again, pulling it right out of my ass. But it sounds good. :smirk:

It seems plausible but my "gut" still leans toward the horny young folks theory. :-P
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Re: Men, Math and Marriage

Postby Hierophant » Wed Mar 17, 2010 00:30

Marriage is predicated on a delusion. Christians are very adept at delusions. Therefore why are they failing so hard at marriage?
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Re: Men, Math and Marriage

Postby Brad Reddekopp » Wed Mar 17, 2010 00:55

Well, if there are no contradictions...
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Re: Men, Math and Marriage

Postby vrchards » Sun Apr 11, 2010 22:19

Really it was good math. But as the Dividers divides the two numbers like that marriage divides the sorrow from men and results in single to pair so Go for marriage.It is lovely feelings.I am single but I have seen so many math between the doubles so I I can say that Go for Marriage.
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Re: Men, Math and Marriage

Postby Tmaq » Mon Apr 12, 2010 00:22

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