causation of the universe

[jc88]

From my point of view, it doesn't even make sense to try and think in terms of Universes, unless that when you say "Universe" you actually mean seperate layers or dimensions of some sort of true reality that co-exist all in the same place yet remain independant of each other, all part of some type of all encompassing plane of existance. Universe is supposed to hold EVERYTHING in the way I've always taken the word. You can't have seperate planes of everything. It's a fallacy.

It hurts my brain to speculate outside of thresholds of modern cosmology and physics. I personally believe that life and the physic of our universe,as far we can see with our amazing telescopes and beyond, are probably cogs in some unfathomable, undescribable machine - After all, all Life is composed of trillions of living cells which are composed of elements which are composed of atoms which are composed fo subatomic particles which are composed of quarks...thats how far the list goes down so far the rest is pure speculation, as is most cosmology - that is in turn itself a machine that is again only a smaller part of something bigger. And how long it keeps going in this manner, humans will not be around to presume.

So let's just smoke weed eat shit and fuck ay?

I guess the only way I can reconcile the infinitly large with the infinitly small is by imagining the two somehow loop into each other.

One interesting thing is that humans are about the halfway point in size between atoms and a full grown daddy star.

What to do with these patterns?

[chikoka]

HI all!

Nothing exists.
Its only that it is spread out.

Positive space_time + positive mass_energy on one side

and

Negative space_time + negative mass_energy on the other.

If you add these 2 together you get the empty set as described by abstract atheist.


Why are they spread out and what are they spread out over are 2 important questions.

First existence does not need space-time.
Only a translation over a dimension.

In order for something to exist it must consist of translations over the continuum it occupies.
In our continuum to say something exists is to define it in terms of space (here or over there) and time (now or then).
In an X_Y continuum the objects would exist "x" in "X" and "y" in "Y" just as we exist "here" in "SPACE" and "now" in "TIME".

The continuums would exist recursivley.

I cant prove it yet but I beleive that translation over dimensions are the only property of existing objects.

The answer to the question of what these dimensions are spread over is another dimension.
For nothingness to be conserved it must also have a negative self.

What separates these "separating dimensions".
A problem but a problem we can solve.

There could be 2 core dimensions that spread out over each other then the other dimesions (space-time or X-Y) could spread out over these.

(Note i remove all temporal connotations from the phrase "spread out".)

The next question is why they are spread apart.

The answer is that *1 - 1* and *10 - 10* and *0* are all equal to zero.
probablistically it is more probable to run into a zero made of two negating numbers than to find it as a "consolidated" zero.

Also the only way we can imagine this is by using time to outline a process and so the true nature of the spread is lost.
Dont fall into this trap.

[Tmaq]

"existence" is a red herring, because there is no comparison; show me something that doesn't exist, and I'll tell you how existence is different than non-existence.

Well? What are you waiting for?

10^(10^118) meters is the average distance you would have to travel to find an exact copy of yourself doing exactly what you are currently doing...in THIS multiverse.

Once you wrap your mind around that crazy conjecture we will consider notions about non-existing universes, OK?

-Tom

[jc88]

I just want to say that I take back what I said earlier in this topic. I was unfamiliar with the predictions of relativity and new ideas about why relativity may itself be incomplete. Since i'm here though, I'll add that at the moment, for me, that delving in to modern physics seems to make causation (or prime movement) and for that matter the very notion of cause and effect very insufficient as a framework hypothesis in investigating how things work. It's also a lot more interesting!