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Postby Hierophant » Fri Jul 29, 2005 17:36

To be honest, some countries HAVE gone worse with a greater degree of freedom. Post-communism Russia is one example. But specific cases do not contradict worldwide data, a fallacy of anecdotes that most statists I debate seem to like.
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Postby spartacus » Sat Jul 30, 2005 05:55

When 2 individual businessmen mutually agree to trade in arms or dynamite? Explain the bloody transaction
When 2 or more nasty individuals greedy for profit and as result of their transaction the whole environment is destroyed and the people impoverished.
Capitalism is fascist economy, most individuals have hardly enough food to eat, exploited through cheap labor and controlled by the police and the rich.
Capitalism is a total waste and abuse of humanity and nature, efficiency is a Nazi word.
Communism failed because of anarchism and capitalism will fall because of the same.
Burn the market place and liberate the commodity, the free market is a military violence, and commerce and trading means war and butchery for profit and for maintenance of the rich.

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I doubt it if you are able to think independently since someone else has always done the thinking for you. The puke and the joke are on you.

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You say a lots of rubbish this I can easily demonstrate, it is you who have no contact with reality and you can barely manage the virtual. Being an atheist is not enough and hundred years too late. Revolutionary anarchic atheism is the answer.

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You are a fake person – little capitalist with little money defending stupidly his richer masters whom he look upon with admiration and envy. Your brain is stuffed with worthless calculations of ignorance supplemented with wasteful technology.

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Here is another atheist capitalist who wants to rob humanity without the involvement of the deity. You are a secular greedy liberal capitalist looking for the next investment for the creation of mass misery and mental disease.

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With you I shell not be more positive than with the rest of this pseudo-atheist forum and its unstable posters.
You are a shity capitalist too, you remind of some who is deep in shit and just because those around him are deeper in shit than he is, he thinks he is on a virgin island.
All these capitalist-socialist states are bad example to encounter anarchism and its inevitable defeat by anarchy of the state and capitalism and in this century.
The best example for anarchy is the way you treat your lover if you have any and I doubt it because capitalist are only capable of hate and never love – they lack human passions and what they have instead is law, order and punishment for stealing from the rich or killing them.
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Postby Hierophant » Sat Jul 30, 2005 06:29

Hey, you're right ! I do want to "rob humanity" and make investments "for the creation of mass misery and mental disease". Just last week I gave money for the propagation of schizophrenia. How the fuck did you know ?
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Postby Thank You » Sat Jul 30, 2005 07:07

spartacus wrote:When 2 individual businessmen mutually agree to trade in arms or dynamite?

What would you like better, for those who produce weapons to keep them all for themselves, instead of treading those weapons. This would lead to dictatorship or oligarchy, not anarchy.
When 2 or more nasty individuals greedy for profit and as result of their transaction the whole environment is destroyed and the people impoverished.

Well, if individuals owned all land (like in capitalism), corporations could not pollute anyone else's land, thereby destroying the environment. You might argue that in capitalism, large corporate monopolies dominate land ownership, and therefore can pollute the environment all they want. However, the facts disagree with you. The majority of families in the basically capitalist U.S. own homes or mortgages on homes. The largest private land owner in the U.S. (International paper) owns only about .15% of the nation's land. So, given private land ownership, pollution cannot occur unless the owner of some peice of land prefers for it to be polluted. Otherwise, he could sue the person who polluted his land (which again, requires capitalist rule by law instead of anarchy).
On the other hand, If everyone or no one owns the land, when someone pollutes it, no one would do anything to stop the pollution (even though people would like it to stop), because no one has a purely personal interest in the land. Everyone would benefit more if one of the other owners took the trouble to stop the pollution. So, no one stops it. Lack of individual ownership leads to lack of individual responsibility for property.
Capitalism is fascist economy, most individuals have hardly enough food to eat, exploited through cheap labor and controlled by the police and the rich.

Again, the facts disagree with you. In the nations that have adopted a basically capitalist economic system, the vast majority of workers have prospered. In fact, workers have been so prosperous under capitalism that the only truly poor people in the U.S. are those unemployed people whom corporations have not "exploited."
Capitalism is a total waste and abuse of humanity and nature, efficiency is a Nazi word.
Communism failed because of anarchism and capitalism will fall because of the same.

Capitalism is not an abuse of human nature. It fits human nature (and self-ownership) perfectly. In capitalism, individuals are free to do as they please with their own labor. This necessarily includes selling that labor to those who can direct it more efficiently. And if they detest efficiency and progress (which is against human nature), they can refuse to sell their labor to anyone, and attempt to sustain themselves independently (or in a commune).
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Postby spartacus » Sun Jul 31, 2005 02:14

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You are probably a rich bastard protecting his family's assets. Your existence dear friend is fatalistic my attitude is optimistic. Computers will soon be outlawed as not to fasten the process of the collapse of capitalism. Computers will be forbidden and any one caught surfing will be executed just like in 1984.
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You are either stupid or naïve, both of these is wrong to be in.
You are so brain washed that you don’t see for example that the whole of north Amerikka is so polluted that no living organism has survived in air, land and sea beside a bulimic consumers quasi-humans called Americans.
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Postby Thank You » Sun Jul 31, 2005 05:44

Spartacus wrote:You are either stupid or naïve, both of these is wrong to be in.
You are so brain washed that you don’t see for example that the whole of north Amerikka is so polluted that no living organism has survived in air, land and sea beside a bulimic consumers quasi-humans called Americans.

Oh, well. He's crazy. At least I tried.
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Postby Hierophant » Sun Jul 31, 2005 08:40

Do not feed the trolls. I repeat, do not feed the trolls.
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Postby spartacus » Sun Jul 31, 2005 13:19

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It is you who is fucked an crazy, tierd and an ass hole
Francois Tremblay and his stupid web site, all he can say:
Do not feed the trolls, I repeat do not feed the trolls
Do not feed the trolls, I repeat do not feed the trolls
Do not feed the trolls, I repeat do not feed the trolls
Do not feed the trolls, I repeat do not feed the trolls
Do not feed the trolls, I repeat do not feed the trolls
Do not feed the trolls, I repeat do not feed the trolls
How creative and instructive, or is it fear and lethargic apathy.
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Postby Hierophant » Sun Jul 31, 2005 13:51

Just take your medication and everything will be all right. The bad capitalists are not after you.
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Postby spartacus » Sun Jul 31, 2005 22:38

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Personal vendetta is reactionary and boring, I don’t go down to this sub-level, I expect of others to rise to my level.
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Postby Brad Reddekopp » Mon Aug 01, 2005 12:13

You expect others to "rise" to your level of irrationality (a.k.a. collectivism) ?
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Postby MustangGT » Mon Aug 01, 2005 16:03

Francois Tremblay wrote:To be honest, some countries HAVE gone worse with a greater degree of freedom. Post-communism Russia is one example. But specific cases do not contradict worldwide data, a fallacy of anecdotes that most statists I debate seem to like.

Russia declined after the USSR breakup due to the previously-rotting communist infrastructure, and a very big dose of already-existant corruption.

You cant just go from communist to capitalist without having a "hangover" effect. People cant just flip mindsets overnight and expect to execute their newly embraced capitalist ideology without some serious speedbumps along the path.
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Centurijohn wrote: Hm, I think the one where you go to jail for things like murder or sexual assault is quite alright.
NoDeity wrote: I, too, make the judgement that laws prohibiting murder and other violations of the person are generally in accordance with proper morality.
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Postby MustangGT » Mon Aug 01, 2005 16:16

spartacus wrote:MustangGT

With you I shell not be more positive than with the rest of this pseudo-atheist forum and its unstable posters.
You are a shity capitalist too, you remind of some who is deep in shit and just because those around him are deeper in shit than he is, he thinks he is on a virgin island.
All these capitalist-socialist states are bad example to encounter anarchism and its inevitable defeat by anarchy of the state and capitalism and in this century.
The best example for anarchy is the way you treat your lover if you have any and I doubt it because capitalist are only capable of hate and never love – they lack human passions and what they have instead is law, order and punishment for stealing from the rich or killing them.


Hey, I thought you were going to be nicer to me! :(

Youre boring. You didnt reply to anything I said previously with this post of yours. Youre just a spammer and you seem to be unable to back up your ideas with anything quantifiable, tangible, or otherwise observable.

Plus, you are full of hate. Ironically, you accuse me and over a billion other humans of being incapable of love.

And this statement of yours is such a gem, I just have to quote it again:

they lack human passions and what they have instead is law, order and punishment for stealing from the rich or killing them


Im going to be blunt. You have absolutely no idea what the fuck you are talking about here and its brutally evident in your sentence. Its one big non sequitor and a huge flipping of definitions.

When a society has "law, order and punishment for stealing..." then that society, by definition, has human passions. That society has passions for protecting the rights of individuals from force or violence. Whether you steal from a rich man or a poor man, you are still stealing.

You are a fucking retard because you think that its okay to steal from someone if they are rich. So the more productive, more capable human is allowed to have his rights violated BECAUSE of his above-average ability? In your world, all the rich people would quickly dissapear due to stealing, and then youre whole system would collapse for there would be no victims left to steal from. You would persecute people based on their ability: more ability would bring more rights violations.

You have exposed yourself as having no human passions. What you have is "parasitic passions." You dont see humans for the people that they are: you see them according to the property they own.

You are an inhumane death-and-mediocrity worshipper. Youre kind will never bring anything productive to this world. You should defect to North Korea.
NoDeity wrote: Every thinking, morally responsible individual ought to hold him/herself above the law.
Centurijohn wrote: Hm, I think the one where you go to jail for things like murder or sexual assault is quite alright.
NoDeity wrote: I, too, make the judgement that laws prohibiting murder and other violations of the person are generally in accordance with proper morality.
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Postby MustangGT » Mon Aug 01, 2005 16:47

spartacus wrote: Computers will soon be outlawed as not to fasten the process of the collapse of capitalism. Computers will be forbidden and any one caught surfing will be executed just like in 1984.



EL OH EL! This is the richest line of bullshit Ive ever seen.

Lets see, vacuum tubes, then silicone chips, were first invented by capitalist societies. Then the internet was invented by a capitalist society. Then the internet became a capitalistic heaven and its virtual marketplace generated tons of money, as well as an efficient means of information exchange.

Capitalist societies have embraced computers and the internet, while communistic countries censor and restrict its use. Computers and the internet have already become vital for capitalistic societies and their governments and economies. But for communist countries, computers and the internet are nothing more than dangerous for their governments.

Again, the facts are OVERWHELMINGLY against you. You provided absolutely nothing to back up this retarded claim of yours. I think you pulled this statement right out of your ass (you made it up).
NoDeity wrote: Every thinking, morally responsible individual ought to hold him/herself above the law.
Centurijohn wrote: Hm, I think the one where you go to jail for things like murder or sexual assault is quite alright.
NoDeity wrote: I, too, make the judgement that laws prohibiting murder and other violations of the person are generally in accordance with proper morality.
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Postby Hierophant » Mon Aug 01, 2005 16:54

Many communist fanatics are still in favour of slaughtering or enslaving capitalists, simply because they are rich. In their eyes, being successful and selling things people want to buy means that you are "exploiting" people.
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