A commentary on war weariness

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A commentary on war weariness

Postby vertigo » Mon Apr 05, 2010 09:00

Here are a few quotes from a recent news story on British war weariness about the conflict in Afghanistan:

A "pervasive and resilient culture of pessimism" about the Afghan war back home in Britain is severely undermining troops on the front line, a senior army officer serving in Helmand has warned.
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There is frustration in the military that there is a lack of appreciation back home about what UK forces are achieving about what UK forces are achieving at great personal risk and in extremely tough circumstances, Lieutenant Colonel Matt Bazeley told The Independent.
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General Sir David Richards, the head of the Army, has stressed that public support is “critical” to the campaign, and a former SAS commander now involved in formulating Nato strategy in Afghanistan, Lieutenant-General Sir Graeme Lamb, has spoken of the danger of “talking ourselves into a defeat back home”. Gen Richards acknowledged that the Afghan mission “could not go on forever”. But he said there was a credible plan in place. “Success is becoming more attainable and the last thing my soldiers want is for the public to go wobbly on them,” he said. “We know this thing is doable and we must help persuade others of it.”
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“Support is subtly different from sympathy and I sense on occasions the two are conflated in the public mind. We don’t want sympathy; sympathy is for losers and we are not losing. We are soldiers, we know the risks, we know what we are doing and why we are here... We face the challenge with informed and considered determination but we want to be drawing on a national strength and resolve to underpin our efforts and not just our morale.”


So people are war weary and there is perceived to be a lack of support. But the last part above explains that support is about more than morale. This would not be support: "I don't agree with what you are doing but I don't wish to see you fail, therefore I wish you speedy success".

As elucidated above, support is about the mission, not the participants. To support is to believe in the rectitude of the mission, in the righteousness of the cause. To believe that those soldiers are there on our behalf, exercising our collective will, that is support.

But I don't think this is true. Can a zealot who no longer questions be said to support something? It is only a matter of time before a new master comes along. A robot programmed to believe something can not be said to support that conclusion, it has no choice.

Support is about choice, that one could have chosen otherwise. Support is about justification, reasons why the fight is correct. Without those reasons, without the justification, support becomes zeal.

And I don't think soldiers want zeal. I don't think soldiers think of themselves as pieces of meat led by bloodthirsty zealots. I think soldiers hope and pray that those who lead them are conscientious human beings working together to secure their homeland and its future prosperity, for their children and brethren. Soldiers fight to win something, and those who direct them are held, I believe, to know and be able to win that fight.

No soldier wishes to die. But they are prepared to die if it is necessary. For it to be necessary requires that those conducting war are as capable as can be and are making the best decisions they can make.

No one demands more of the army than the soldiers in it. They are on the front line, they are doing the bidding of their masters, and each of them will judge, whether privately or otherwise, the quality of their leadership.

And we should not forget who those soldiers were before becoming soldiers. They did not give up their humanity, they chose to fight for a cause they believed in, the cause being the safety and security of their homeland. They put trust in those who would lead them, the purest kind of trust, the trust that says, I will lay my life on the line as you direct because I know you will not fail me and those I support.

If people are war weary, it is because soldiers have died. Those soldiers are former members of the public and it is the greatest show of solidarity to be upset about those deaths. That is how we know we are still human, when we see our soldiers dying and are led to question whether what we (as a nation) are doing is right.

Were we not to do this, our soldiers would become fodder, pieces of meat on a remote and forgotten battlefield, out of the public conscience. Their deaths would be like yesterday's news, unimportant. This is not support.

Every dead soldier is an opportunity, if not a mandate, to question and confirm that we are still human, that we still feel for every death and measure them against progress being made. But were we to say, when someone dies, THIS IS WAR!, THAT IS THE WAY OF WAR!, this is a most cowardly act.

People die in war and this is why it is so important to be absolutely sure that the correct things are being done. If we can look back in future years and say of our soldiers, they achieved their mission because they were careful to remain on course, because they held on to their humanity in the midst of bloodshed and refused to become killing machines, that they achieved their mission not because it was war and they were warriors, but because they refused to let war change them from the caring people they were before, THEN we have right to be proud. THEN they may be called heroes.

So let us question more fervently and demand more vociferously that our men and women are supported. And let us strive to ensure that they know that we are not just there with them but there to direct them. They may rest easy knowing that someone has their back. This is the greatest service we can offer them.
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Re: A commentary on war weariness

Postby jc88 » Tue Apr 06, 2010 11:58

If a soldier signs up for the Army even for the sole reason of duty to one's country, that one implicitly assumes that this duty requires participating in the Army schema and all that comes with it. Indeed, the American army is structured so that rank explicitly rules out the very real or imagined problems with individuals making decisions with moral and physical implications for soldiers on both sides of the war. You never here of a soldier saying "Let me run your implicit command by the squad and see what we think after tossing around some alternate ideas, SIR!" Would this not be signing up to be a zealot? You are signing up to be someone's or some group's horse, and weather you agree with your riders is not so much the point. Sure, their is an individual with unique feelings inside of a soldier. But they must be willing to live or die with their choice to serve and cannot, well, should not anyway, reasonably depend on others back in the home country to be in agreement and show their "support."
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Re: A commentary on war weariness

Postby vertigo » Tue Apr 06, 2010 13:48

I think most soldiers have romantic ideas that they will be supported because what they are doing is important. I don't think any soldiers join specifically to do things that aren't supported, to wage wars that aren't supported. I think they assume that if a war is not supported, there must be a reason for it and they will soon be returned home in that case. I think soldiers believe they are doing the will of the people back home.

Take Russia for example. In WWII, Germany attacked Russia with very many tanks and men. But Russia held firm before Moscow. Why was that? A technical reason is because fresh, experienced, well-equiped troops from the Soviet border with Japan arrived just in time, but it was more than that. Hitler fully expected to win the war against Russia, he attacked Russia rather than Britain because he believed beating Russia was easier. But he failed.

You could say that the German forces who attacked Russia had signed up to serve no matter what, but I suspect most of them didn't give their all to win that war because of the way they were asked to fight it. They were told to take no prisoners, to let villagers starve, to kill any inferior races they found, etc. They were told to be exterminators, but those young Germans were fighting for their homeland, for a strong Germany. Their fight was not racial, and they lost that war because they didn't have the heart for it. What they were doing was wrong.

I mean that if a soldier doesn't believe in the war, he or she will be very much less effective and may eventually desert or sabotage operations. Even soldiers who are eager to kill have some sense that if they don't, it is they or their family who will suffer. There are mercenary types that just kill for fun but the majority aren't like that.

So I agree that soldiers must take into account that they won't always be supported, but I think there is an expectation that if they aren't supported, things will change. Their support is what tells them whether they are doing well, because those are the people they are doing it for.

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Re: A commentary on war weariness

Postby jc88 » Tue Apr 06, 2010 15:49

vertigo wrote:I think most soldiers have romantic ideas that they will be supported because what they are doing is important. I don't think any soldiers join specifically to do things that aren't supported, to wage wars that aren't supported. I think they assume that if a war is not supported, there must be a reason for it and they will soon be returned home in that case. I think soldiers believe they are doing the will of the people back home.

Take Russia for example. In WWII, Germany attacked Russia with very many tanks and men. But Russia held firm before Moscow. Why was that? A technical reason is because fresh, experienced, well-equiped troops from the Soviet border with Japan arrived just in time, but it was more than that. Hitler fully expected to win the war against Russia, he attacked Russia rather than Britain because he believed beating Russia was easier. But he failed.

You could say that the German forces who attacked Russia had signed up to serve no matter what, but I suspect most of them didn't give their all to win that war because of the way they were asked to fight it. They were told to take no prisoners, to let villagers starve, to kill any inferior races they found, etc. They were told to be exterminators, but those young Germans were fighting for their homeland, for a strong Germany. Their fight was not racial, and they lost that war because they didn't have the heart for it. What they were doing was wrong.

I mean that if a soldier doesn't believe in the war, he or she will be very much less effective and may eventually desert or sabotage operations. Even soldiers who are eager to kill have some sense that if they don't, it is they or their family who will suffer. There are mercenary types that just kill for fun but the majority aren't like that.

So I agree that soldiers must take into account that they won't always be supported, but I think there is an expectation that if they aren't supported, things will change. Their support is what tells them whether they are doing well, because those are the people they are doing it for.

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So you expect that a large enough of German soldiers found it unethical/immoral to participate in the guidelines for combat while engaging Russia so that it caused them to be defeated? You may be right. It would be nice to know you were. I am no history buff. I do, though, think of those psychology experiments where everyday people are brought into a lab and instructed by official looking people in white lab coats to gradually apply higher and higher levels of electricity to live people on the other end of a machine, for the sake of experiment or authorized government testing etc, and the astonishing number of people that comply with the "authority" of the people and continue to apply lethal levels (not really, it's an experiment but the electrocutioners believed it so is may as well be real) even when hearing cries of pain and pleas to subsist by the electrocutees. I have no reason to imagine that if a man or woman in a tidy white lab coat can get everyday people to harm their fellow man, a general's outfit wouldn't be as effective. History would make a good case for me.
It takes a lot less than something as heavy as war to make people harm each other. I must admit that the soldiers's struggle to balance the nature of what they see and do with the support or non support of their homeland is not something I personally relate to. Perhaps one day I'll be forced to react to some threat that is coming upon myself of my family or community. Maybe then, I would be enlightened.
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Re: A commentary on war weariness

Postby vertigo » Tue Apr 06, 2010 17:21

That is my interpretation from a book I have, "A world at arms: a global history of World War 2".
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