May 20: Everybody Draw Muhammad Day

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Re: May 20: Everybody Draw Muhammad Day

Postby Sparx » Sat May 15, 2010 01:38

Bones wrote:There is a difference between free speech and harassment. When you are purposely offensive to a person who is attempting to avoid being offended, you are harassing that person and that person has the right to feel offended. However, when people are sharing ideas with one another, whether they are scientific, poetic, comedic, etc., and someone observes this communication and feels it is offensive, that person has the duty to avoid this communication. To try to interrupt or end this sharing of ideas is being offensive. If you find South Park offensive, don't watch it. If you find Everybody Draw Mohammed Day offensive, do not participate. If you find it offensive and you do participate, then don't whine when you feel offended. If you don't want to get hit by a train, then get off the tracks--it's your fault not the passengers.

I forgot to say, I think that's pretty accurate, Bones. Just a slight correction: I don't think the person has a duty to avoid the communication that he finds offensive... More like, he ought to do that, if he wants to avoid being offended, because it's the easiest way to solve the issue. Trying to convince them to stop talking by either influence or violence is yet another strategy, which is quite uneffective and requires too much resources. Also, the offended guy might be a masochist. He might enjoy putting himself in situations where he would be offended, so that later he could bitch to his friends about it.
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Re: May 20: Everybody Draw Muhammad Day

Postby Bones » Sat May 15, 2010 06:52

I agree with that correction. An "offended" person may want to communicate his thoughts and ideas to the other participants in the communication. However, the participants do not have the duty to observe (notice/respect/obey) the "offended" person's thoughts and ideas. It may actually be this lack of acknowledgement that often makes the person feel "offended" rather than the observation of the communication.
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Re: May 20: Everybody Draw Muhammad Day

Postby Brad Reddekopp » Mon May 17, 2010 01:02

I've been playing with Muslims in the comments sections of my videos, most recently in the comments section of this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GbHLCIXTVI



A user called 1000katrina asked me what it is we want. I responded as follows:

NoDeity wrote:I want Muslims to understand that they have no right to try to control how other people express themselves, whether that expression be in films, cartoons, music, or anything else.... I want Muslims to understand that there is no such thing as a right to not be offended and that their religious beliefs do not grant them any authority over me or anyone else who does not choose to be under the authority of Islam.


He or she wrote this:

1000katrina wrote:if you dont wana be under aunthority of Islam...its fine...do what u want!!!how u want!!we are not concerned with that..but if u dont wana do all that then why u are insulting Our beloved Propher Mohammad(P.B.U.H)...???


Then, two minutes later, this:

1000katrina wrote:and MUSLIMS do have this right of controling those mindless people who are just so sick...Those Expressions which u people use in ur films against us(THE MSULIMS)are wrong..


Amusingly, there is no indication at all that this person recognizes the contradiction. However, he or she has generously promised to send me explanatory videos. :roll:
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Re: May 20: Everybody Draw Muhammad Day

Postby Brad Reddekopp » Wed May 19, 2010 00:50

It's the dance sensation that is sweeping the nation! Come on and learn to do the Twisted Prophet Twist and you can dance along with Muhammad!



(It's my video for Everybody Draw Muhammad day.)
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Re: May 20: Everybody Draw Muhammad Day

Postby Brad Reddekopp » Wed May 19, 2010 01:41

Wow. The response on Facebook has been fast and furious. Funny stuff: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php ... 7775375783
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Re: May 20: Everybody Draw Muhammad Day

Postby Sparx » Wed May 19, 2010 08:22

Not really related to the topic, but last night me and my friends found a Christian poster on the street, and decided to have some fun with it.
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Re: May 20: Everybody Draw Muhammad Day

Postby Bones » Wed May 19, 2010 23:34

What is the point of Pakistan banning facebook because of this event? Anyone who wants to ban facebook can easily do that on his own. Were the people in support afraid that they may get tempted to look at the drawings and get offended, and now, they are happy that they cannot, no matter what. That doesn't seem likely, which means that the people in support of the ban are probably not worried about being offended by the images. Perhaps they are afraid that others might view the material and this will somehow emotionally damage the viewer. I could see that for children, but I think that they have parental controls. If this is the reasoning for the adults, then it seems like the government feels that its citizens are emotionally fragile. This seems somewhat plausible. However, I think that it is more likely that the supporters aren't really trying to stop people from being offended, but rather they are trying to stop ideas from spreading that are contrary to what they want people to think. This means that they are not offended but are scared (threatened) that they will lose their power. This may explain why many have responded with threats themselves. A scared dog growls, a hurt dog whimpers. Banning the site may act both as a demonstration of their power and an attempt to limit communication amongst individuals within their own country who do not support their current power structure.

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Re: May 20: Everybody Draw Muhammad Day

Postby Brad Reddekopp » Thu May 20, 2010 00:49

That's a really good question. Why was it not sufficient for individual Muslims to individually decide to boycott Facebook? So many humans have an impulse not only to control themselves but to also control others. Religion, especially when it is imbued with political power, seems to enable and even amplify that tendency.
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Re: May 20: Everybody Draw Muhammad Day

Postby Brad Reddekopp » Thu May 20, 2010 00:51

I've received a lot of feedback from my Everybody Draw Muhammad Day videos. In this video, I respond to some of that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWQzRTKA7s8
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Re: May 20: Everybody Draw Muhammad Day

Postby Bones » Thu May 20, 2010 19:17

Kind of a random idea, but I think that it would be interesting to have an "Everybody Dress like a Muslim Woman Day." The purpose being to better understand how it would feel to be a woman in a society controlled by Islamic law. http://www.inter-islam.org/Actions/Hijbdu.html
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Re: May 20: Everybody Draw Muhammad Day

Postby Brad Reddekopp » Tue May 25, 2010 19:59

I received some Muhammad drawings in email. Here they are in a video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE4htnNfs2E


There's no narration for this vid. Instead, it's an acoustic guitar jam recorded specifically for the video.
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Re: May 20: Everybody Draw Muhammad Day

Postby Brad Reddekopp » Mon May 31, 2010 13:13

According to an article in the Globe and Mail, Najibullah Malik, secretary of Pakistan's information technology ministry, claims that Facebook has deleted the "Everybody Draw Muhammad Day" page and has assured the government of Pakistan that "nothing of this sort will happen in the future."

I think Mr. Malik is spouting bovine-sourced fertilizer. The biggest of the "Draw Muhammad" pages is gone but there are many similar pages still existing. The scuttlebutt that I'm hearing is that either the page was hacked or that the page admin took it down himself, not that Facebook removed it.

But, just in case it was removed by Facebook, I've created a page for my Muhammad cartoon just to make the point that censorship of such ideas will result in the proliferation of those ideas rather than their suppression.

http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pag ... 2082166154
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Re: May 20: Everybody Draw Muhammad Day

Postby Brad Reddekopp » Mon May 31, 2010 21:22

LOL - It's a lie. The author of the article is either lying or has been lied to.

The administrator of the "Everybody Draw Muhammad Day" page took the page down temporarily because he was concerned that it was being hijacked by those who merely hate Islam rather than those who primarily want to exercise their right of free expression. The page is now back up: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Everybody ... 2334226418

My guess is that, while the page was down, someone in the government of Pakistan found out about it and made up some shit about Facebook apologizing.
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Re: May 20: Everybody Draw Muhammad Day

Postby Brad Reddekopp » Sun Jun 06, 2010 15:29

I've posted another video responding to feedback that I got from my Draw Muhammad Day videos. This one is mostly in response to the notion that I ought to respect religion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7hYypPS8s0
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Re: May 20: Everybody Draw Muhammad Day

Postby j-breaks » Mon Jun 07, 2010 20:03

"I have recieved countless emails telling me to respect their religion or telling me to respect all religions... no" lol. That cracked me up. Good video. I like how you point out that you do differentiate between respecting people and respecting their beliefs. So many people take it personally when I say I don't think god exists for some reason.
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